Living

Living married Living [Group Sheet]

1. Living
2. Living
3. Living

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1939 - 1945, New Guinea; Army Officer
• Occupation: 1945-1956, Caringbah, NSW, Australia; Painter and Decorator
• Occupation: 1957, Shelly Beach, NSW, Australia; Retailer - general store at 87 Ewos Parade (Shelly Beach Store)

Notes:

Jack was closer to his mother's side of the family than his father's side, probably a result of his parents splitting up shortly after Jack was born. During WWII, Jack was briefly stationed at Bathurst, and remembers going to visit his father's relatives (probably William Kelly), but he got the cold shoulder..


Jack Kelly Memorial http://kirrawee.net/jack/

Buried:
Woronora Cemetery

John married Marjorie Smith on 24 Oct 1941 in Watsons Bay, NSW, Australia. Marjorie (daughter of Thomas Ohalam Smith and Elizabeth Emily Windle) was born on 14 Feb 1921 in Willoughby, NSW, Australia; died on 12 Jun 2014 in Kirrawee, NSW, Australia; was buried on 20 Jun 2014 in Woronora Cemetery, Sutherland, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Seamstress
• Residence: 1921 - 1940, Watsons Bay, NSW, Australia
• Residence: 1946 - 1956, Caringbah, NSW, Australia; 542 Port Hacking Road
• Residence: 1957, Cronulla, NSW, Australia; 87 Ewos Parade (Shelly Beach Store)
• Residence: 1958 - 2014, Caringbah, NSW, Australia; 60 Crammond Boulevarde

Notes:

Short Bio by Mike Kelly:
Marge was born Marjorie Smith in Willoughby in 1921 and in her childhood and teenage years lived an idyllic life at Watsons Bay, very close to Camp Cove beach ('Campie'). In her early school days she walked to school along the foreshores of Watsons Bay and on to Vaucluse Primary School. Weekend fun included swimming at the "Bogie Hole", a roughly cut swimming pool in the harbour side rocks near Camp Cove. In her secondary school years, she caught the tram from the terminus near Camp Cove into a girl's secondary school in Darlinghurst. During these years the students were able to observe the two arches Harbour Bridge coming together at close quarters from their school grounds. After leaving school she worked as a seamstress at a City firm, again catching the tram from Camp Cove: invariably running late, the tram conductors gave her the nickname of "the road runner". During her teenage years Marge and her cousin Sylvia often went dancing at The Trocadero in the City.
Around the time that World War II started, Marge met her future husband, Jack, when he was assigned to the military barracks at South Head. They married at St. Peters church at Watsons Bay in October 1941 and spent their honeymoon in the Blue Mountains. Not long after that, Jack was posted to New Guinea where he spent most of the war. Marge volunteered for war work and worked at the Beaufort Bomber factory in Sydney.
Jack and Marge's first child was born towards the end of World War II, when Marge was still living with her parents. After Jack was discharged from the army in 1945 they made the bold decision to move to Caringbah which at that time was mostly bushland, but it was their only option if they were to eventually own their own home. After renting a cottage in Regatta Avenue for a short they made the decision to buy a block of land in nearby Port Hacking Road. At the time building materials were very scarce and you had to "know somebody" in order to obtain building material such as timber, tiles etc.; luckily Jack was in the building trade and had a few connections. Jack and Marge first built a "temporary" dwelling followed by a full size house (both buildings are still standing). By this time their second child had arrived.
Marge and Jack lived in the "house that Jack built" for many years and in 1955 their third child was born. Around this time Jack decided to try his hand at retailing and they bought a small store at Shelly Beach near Cronulla. By 1959 Jack realised he was not cut out for retailing and resumed his career in the building trade and moving back to Caringbah. Marge always handled the family finances and helped out by taking on part time work whenever she could. Life was not always easy, but Marge staunchly held the family together and was a totally devoted wife and mother.
After Jack retired they were able to manage a few overseas trips and enjoyed many hours on Botany Bay in their little tinnie catching flathead by the dozen. They often relaxed at the Caringbah RSL club, where Jack was a very early member. The arrival of a new grandchild or great grandchild was a big occasion for Marge, she never forgot their birthdays and they could count on a card in the mail with the customary $5 note. When Jack became ill and was in hospital, Marge was a daily visitor and carer, often walking long distances every day. After Jack passed away in 2005, Marge continued as the family matriarch, she had a special place in her heart for a couple of the more mischievous great grandchildren. She always looked forward to the occasional glass of beer and the odd flutter on the poker machines at the SUS club on Sundays.
Marge's passing marks the end of an era, as all of her siblings and cousins have also passed away.
Marge Kelly was a gentle lady with a heart of gold, pioneer of Sutherland Shire and devoted wife, mother, grandmother and great grandmother.

Notes:

Married:
St.Peters church, Watson's Bay

Other Events:

• Occupation: Sydney, NSW, Australia; Arthur was part of the entourage for clown Roy Rene (known as "Mo McCacky" or "Mo"). He was the doorman at the Tivoli and also worked at his brother's cinema in Bathurst.
• Residence: 1930, Darlinghurst, NSW, Australia
• Residence: 1937-1963, La Perouse, NSW, Australia

Notes:

Died:
NSW BDM 3629/1967

Buried:
Rose Gardens, Garden M3

Arthur married Jessie Edith S Griffin on 19 Jul 1904 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia. Jessie (daughter of Michael John Griffin and Elizabeth Norbary) was born on 9 Jun 1881 in Myall Camp, NSW, Australia; died on 18 Dec 1940; was buried on 19 Dec 1940 in La Perouse, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Residence: 1930-1938, Cremorne, NSW, Australia; 40 Illiliwa St.
• Residence: 1940, Bondi, NSW, Australia; 68 Plowman St. 2 Bognor Flats

Notes:

Birth:
NSW BDM 11510/1881 = "UnNamed Griffin"

Born at Myalls Camp where father was a boundary rider

Buried:
Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
RCC - Roman Catholic FM C - 293

Died:
NSW BDM 21389/1940

Notes:

Arthur abandoned his family shortly after John was born (1916). John remembered approaching his father and asking him for money to support the family. The response was "so you are little Johnny?" - but there was no money forthcoming. He was also charged with wife desertion in June 1910.

Married:
St Michael and Johns Cathedral

NSW BDM 6064/1904

Notes:

From Dan Byrnes:

His mother died a few weeks after he was born at Gilgandra. He was given to a family named Johnsn/Johnston to be cared for. He saw his father only once, when he was about three years old. Thomas applied for his birth certificate in 1928, when he was 40. Or, Ohalam. He may be John Thomas O Smith? Larkin has notes from general records, births, of Smith, 1888, Thomas O. Smith, to John T. and Catherine of Coonamble, in 1885 a John Thomas S, to John and Hannah at Brisbane Waters. This Thomas is of Waverly in the Larkin tree. Late in his life, his lost parents were once identified but he never bothered to delve further into who were his siblings. Where is that info? Grandfather of compiler Daniel Thomas Byrnes. Cf., David Austin Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee: Taylor, Rooke and Windle Family Histories. Self-published, Burpengary Qld, 1989. ISBN 0 9592440 1 8.



From daughter Marge Kelly 26/1/2008:

Tom's mother Catherine died when Tom was only 3 weeks old and Tom was raised on a farm by the Johnson family of Gilgandra. Tom's only memory of his father was when Tom was 3 years old his father came to visit him and gave him a bag of marbles, he watched his Dad ride away and never saw him again.

Tom became friendly with the Hamilton family who owned a hotel in Dubbo, and accompanied some of the Hamilton boys to Sydney. This was a permanent move for Tom. The Hamiltons also had an electrical store in Sydney and Tom acquired appliances from them. He owned a radio at a time when they were not common and also a clock which he kept all his life and which stayed in the possession of Elizabeth after his death. Those that knew Tom and Elizabeth probably remember the clock sitting on the mantelpiece and the ritual winding of same. Tom always kept in touch with the Hamiltons, one of the Hamilton sisters attended Elizabeth's 90th birthday in Tamworth and commented at the time that Tom "was always a good boy". Tom always said he was the youngest of 7 siblings.

Marge remembers Tom said that he slept his first night in Sydney on a Manly ferry (stowed away?)

Tom's foster parents only gave him two years of primary education prior to putting him to work on their farm. After moving to Sydney, Tom realised the he needed further education and studied as a mature age student. He turned out to be a good mathmetician and Marge remembers evening visits by Vaucluse Council engineers to discuss with Tom how a road should be designed and to work out the curves etc.

From Debbie Musgrave:

Grave details: Anglican 5D Row 7 Grave no. 87


From Debbie Musgrave:

Tom's mother did NOT die shortly after he was born, this was just a story that Tom handed down to his family. His parents actually abandoned him. His mother died at Redfern 33 years later just a short distance from where her abandoned son Tom was living.

Buried:
Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
A5D - Anglican FM 5D - 87

Tom's burial was delayed by a strike at the cemetery.

Died:
Prince Henry Hospital (The Coast Hospital)

Thomas married Elizabeth Emily Windle on 12 Jul 1915 in Waverley, NSW, Australia. Elizabeth (daughter of Alfred Ernest Windle and Sarah Rebecca Meades) was born on 26 Nov 1893 in Coogee Bay, NSW, Australia; died on 29 Apr 1985 in The Entrance, NSW, Australia; was buried on 2 May 1985 in Botany, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Seamstress

Notes:

From Dan Byrnes:

Marries 1915 in Larkin tree. She is born 1894 in Larkin tree. More to come. there is gernforum at http://www.jenforum.net/windle/. There are Windles of Indian, Braxton Co WV, Virginia, Moncton New Brunswick Canada, New Market Virginia, Milwaukee Wisconsin, Charles Windle of South London, Michigan, Chicago, of Horton, Yorkshire England, of Preston Lancs, England. Windle of New Zealand. Family history by David Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee, 23 Eleanor St., Burpengary, QLD 4505. Phone: (07) 3888 2168.



Birth:
St. Pauls Street

Buried:
Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park
A5D - Anglican FM 5D - 87

Notes:

From Marjorie Smith:

After Tom and Elizabeth were married they lived with Elizabeth's mother Sarah at Bondi Junction (Mill Hill Road) for a period before moving to St, Leonards where Tom had secured employment as a labouror. When Tom secured employment with Vaucluse Council they moved to Vaucluse and lived a small house which was only half built and was called "The Rest". Around 1928 they moved to Watson's Bay where the children grew up and which was always a "special place" for them.



From Debbie Musgrave (marriage certificate):

Tom and Elizabeth wre married on 12 Jul 1915 at St. Barnabus' church, Mill Hill, Waverly by Robert Lyle Houston, minister.

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1875, Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; Miner
• Occupation: 1897, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; Railway Guard

Notes:

Brother John also worked for the Railways

From Dennis Lloyd:

Hi Barbara,
William C Critchley (1774-1847) married Catherine Murphy and lived in Maitland, NSW. They had 3(?) children, one was Catharine (1817-1872). She married 3 times, the final one being to John Dennington Money Palmer.One of their children,Sarah, married my GGF Thomas Kelly in 1871. I have more info if you wish, and I would like to find out ore as well.

Died:
NSW BDM 5835/1897

Thomas married Sarah Anne Palmer in 1871 in Mudgee, NSW, Australia. Sarah (daughter of John Dennington Money Palmer and Catherine Critchley) was born on 21 Jan 1853 in Hill End, NSW, Australia; was christened on 16 Nov 1853 in Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; died on 30 Jul 1936 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; was buried in Bathurst Cemetery, Bathurst, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1901 - 1910, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; Proprietor, Haymarket Hotel The Haymarket Hotel was located on the corner of William and Durham Sts., where a United service station now stands. The first Burlington Theatre, operated by William Kelly, was on the adjoining block, now occupied by a Coles supermarket.
• Residence: 1915 - 1920, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; 65 William Street
• Residence: 1921 - 1936, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; 125 William Street (Warilda)

Notes:

From Dennis Lloyd, in reply to Sharon Money.

Hi Sharon, how nice it is to at last find a positive connection to the Money line I am related to. My GG Grandmother was given a New Testament(which I still have) at the age of 8 in 1861 by her mother. Handwritten entries list all the family history (except only two Money entries), and one entry says that her grandfather was General John Money of Crown Point Estate (Trowse Newton), Norfolk. This John Money is the Balloonist and soldier who fought against the Americans in NY State under Burgoyne. The death certificate lists his full name as John Dennington Money Palmer, father as General John Money and mother as Sarah Dennington, and he arrived here in Australia about 1827. That is about 10 years after John Money died. I cannot make any further connections, perhaps you can help.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/money/messages/512.html

Christened:
St. Stevens church

Died:
NSW BDM 18281/1936



Obituary in The Catholic Press, Thursday 6 August 1936:

Mrs. Sarah Kelly.
Bathurst lost one of its oldest and most widely known identities with the death, on the 30th ult., of Mrs. Sarah Kelly, of William-street. Up to four months ago Mrs. Kelly was in perfect health, despite her advancing years. Born 84 years ago at Hill End, she retained to the last vivid recollections of the early days of that historic goldfield. An accomplished horsewoman in her younger days, it was little hardship for her to ride from Hill End to Mudgee, a distance of 50 miles. She remembered the findings by Byers and Holtermann of their famous nugget, and many other highlights in the development of Hill End. Her husband, Mr. Thomas Kelly, died 33 years ago. She is survived by two brothers, Messrs. Archer Palmer (Hill End) and Fred Money Palmer (retired postmaster at Bondi), and by a family of four sons, Messrs. William Kelly (Bathurst), Arthur (Sydney), Frederick (Tarana) and Alan (Sydney), and two daughters, Mrs. J. Stevens (Katoomba) and Miss Ida Kelly (Bathurst). Two other sons, Messrs. Albert and Harry Kelly, predeceased her, the latter having lost his life at the war.
The funeral moved from her late residence for the Catholic portion of Bathurst Cemetery. At the chapel and the graveside prayers were recited by Rev. Father Cotter, C.M., and Rev. Father Emelhainz.
The chief mourners were brothers, sons and grandsons of the deceased. The pallbearers were her sons and grandsons, Messrs. Arthur, Allen and Bert, and Reg. Stevens.

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1879, Myall Camp, NSW, Australia; Boundary rider (Myall Camp was near Dubbo)
• Occupation: 1887, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; Station Overseer, Blackdown Estate

Notes:

Died:
NSW BDM 7070/1888

Michael married Elizabeth Norbary on 20 Aug 1876 in Obley, NSW, Australia. Elizabeth (daughter of Walter Thomas Norbary, Jnr and Ellen Kennedy) was born on 30 Nov 1853 in Rockley, NSW, Australia; was christened on 12 Jan 1854 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; died on 1 Oct 1932 in Campsie, NSW, Australia; was buried on 3 Oct 1932 in Bathurst Cemetery, Bathurst, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Birth:
NSW BDM 4068/1853 V18534068 40

Died:
NSW BDM 17683/1932

65 NINTH AVENUE CAMPSIE, MUNICIPALITY OF CANTERBURY

Notes:

The childrens' initials were E J J V A E in Michael's obutiary. Ther were 5 daughters and 1 son mentioned in Elizabeth's obituary.

Married:
In the house of Mrs. Booth.

Other Events:

• Residence: 23 Jun 1888, Merrigal, NSW, Australia; : 39

John married Catherine Elizabeth Donnelly on 09 Sep 1881 in Gulgong, NSW, Australia. Catherine (daughter of John Donnelly and Margaret) was born on 1 Oct 1848 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; died on 17 Aug 1919 in Redfern, NSW, Australia; was buried on 19 Aug 1919 in Rookwood, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Residence: 16 Oct 1876, Uarbry, NSW, Australia

Notes:

Thomas Ohalam always said his mother died when he was a child, but this is not correct. Anyway, Tom had no memories of his mother, he was raised by the Johnson family of Gilgandra.

From Debbie Musgrave 2013:

following on from my research dated 10 November 2011 which included the following details:

Smith Catherine 71 19/08/1919 SEC*M2*E*2116 Burial Rookwood

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery : Mortuary 2 : Area E : Grave 2116

I contacted the Rookwood catholic Cemetery and was given the following information:

* No headstone
* Catherine was buried with Emily M Hagar
* Emily was 18 years old and buried on 11 May 1917
* The owner/contact of the grave was Sidney Collins (husband of granddaughter)

_______________________________________________________

1 I found a death registration for Emily M Hagar in teh same district as Catherine Smith

Death: 5211/1917 Hagar Emily M Thomas J Sarah A Redfern

I found information on the Catholic Cemeteries site

Burial: Hagar Emily M 18 11/5/1917 SEC*M2*E*2116 Rookwood

Location: Rookwood Catholic Cemetery : Mortuary 2 : Area E : Grave 2116


________________________________________________________

2 I found a marriage registration fpr Sarah A Smith and Thomas Hagar

Marriage: 3144/1898 Hagur Thomas Smith Sarah A Cobar

Birth:
Winburndale

Died:
NSW BDM 14263/1919

Buried:
Catholic section - 19/08/1919 SEC*M2*E*2116 Burial Rookwood - no headstone

Notes:

Possible child Sarah Ellen Smith ---->

Married:
NSW BDM 4899/1881

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1867, Sydney, NSW, Australia; Wheelright
• Residence: 7 Jan 1868, Sydney, NSW, Australia; 3 Liverpool St.
• Occupation: 1888, Coogee Bay, NSW, Australia; Fisherman
• Occupation: 1907, Narrabeen, NSW, Australia; Fisherman

Notes:

Alfred was not liked by his daughter Elizabeth Emily who remembered him as a drunken, violent father who gradually gambled away their considerable property assets in Coogee Bay, which had been inherited from his father. He was in the habit of drinking himself stupid in the City and relying on his horse to find the way home. At the Coroner's inquest into the death of his daughter, Martha May, there was also an inference that he had raped her after coming home drunk and that this led to an unwanted pregnancy and then her suicide by taking rat poison. At the inquest, he accused Martha's fiance of attacking her, but this was refuted by a string of witnesses including his wife and some of his other daughters, including Lily, then aged 11 years.



Alfred has quite a few mentions in the Herald for either assaulting other people or being assaulted himself.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=assault+tomahawk&exactPhrase=alfred+windle&anyWords=?Words=&requestHandler=&dateFrom=1870-01-01&dateTo=1920-12-31&l-advstate=New+South+Wales&l-advcategory=Article&sortby=

Died:
Rookwood Asylum (Lidcome State Hospital)

Alfred married Sarah Rebecca Meades on 07 Jan 1868 in Darlinghurst, NSW, Australia. Sarah (daughter of Samuel Meades and Hannah Anne Read) was born on 12 Mar 1849 in Maidstone, Kent, England; died on 24 Jan 1927 in Waverley, NSW, Australia; was buried on 27 Jan 1927 in Randwick Cemetery, Randwick, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Emigrated: 1863, Maidstone, Kent, England; Emigrated to Sydney, NSW
• Residence: 1867, Newtown, NSW, Australia; Newtown Road.

Notes:

From Marge Smith:

Sarah always insisted that she was to be buried at the family plot at Waverly cemetery, probably to be with daughter Martha rather than her alcoholic husband Alfred.



Randwick Cemetery
Section EE
Row T
Plot 80

Died:
19 Woodstock St.

Notes:

Married:
41 Burton St. Free Church of England