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Evelyn Gilfred Sack may have been Jack's biological mother (1883 - 1963). She was born in Hindmarsh SA and lived and died in Fremantle WA.

Mike, My grandfather was raised with the idea that Alice was his foster/adoptive mother. As far as family information from my father Alice Windle was called aunt Alice. My aunt did a search many years ago and found that Evelyn Sack was his real mother. Given the fact that her father was a hotel proprietor in the Kimberly district anyone could have been his father. Unfortunately her mother died on the same boat that Evelyn had her honeymoon. Then Daniel Sacks married Mrs McGovern. It is a very sad heritage. Years ago I did a very extensive search of all the Windle's in Australia and back to Sheffield in England. However my ex husband threw most of my research in the garbage. Keep in touch please. regards Leah

Windle, John Harold (I231)

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Except for a few years in Sunny Corner, Archer lived his entire life in Tambaroora

Palmer, Archer Money (I166)

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Fell in WWI, killed in action during the Battle of Passchendaele

Kelly, Walter George (I700)

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Formerly of Goulburn

Sowden, Stanley Stephen (I633)

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Francis has 4 siblings

Family F194

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From Anne Wilson:

----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Anne Wilson"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [PJ] Thomas Thompson

Good morning everyone and happy new year to all,

I've been a bit quite lately tracing a line of my husband's family who were free settlers and have come to a halt at a gentleman called Thomas Thompson. I would like to find out if Thomas was a convict but as there is little to be read about him I am wondering if anyone may know anything about the Thomas Thompsons who came to the colony in the early 1800's. There were a few of them.

My Thomas married a Catherine Critchley in 1831 Newcastle area. Catherine was the daughter of a marine of the 48th Regiment and was born in Tasmania. Thomas died in 1842 in Sydney and a transcript of his death says he was a coloured man. I am assuming this meant he was from the West Indies or Africa and not an Aborigine as from what I have read so far most Aboriginal deaths are recorded that way. I have emailed the person who has claimed a Thomas Thompson on the Claim a Convict site but had no response and am wondering if anyone may be related to the Critchley family who settled in the Maitland area or the Hurley or Palmer families of the same area as poor Catherine Thompson nee Critchley married Farrell Hurley in 1843 after Thomas died but Farrell then died and Catherine married a Mr Palmer and they lived "happily together until Catherine's death.

I hope everyone has a successful year of searching and maybe I will get to see some of you at various places that I will be visiting when I come to Sydney in early February.

Regards Anne in Townsville

Critchley, Catherine (I168)

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From Barbara Wyatt

Hi Dennis,
Thanks for your reply. I would love to read the information you have. William and Catherine had more than 3 children. There was Catherine (your ancestor), Ann (my gggmother), Jacob (who died in infancy), Martha, William, George (died aged 16), Elizabeth (who married the founder of Ashton's Circus), Jane and Carolline (who died aged 10 weeks). W & C were married before coming to Australia and only settled in Maitland when William left his regiment. I was aware of the Kelly connection but would love to chat with you. I am in touch with a cousin (Robyn)closer biologically to you than me. Maybe you have already had contact with her.
Cheers, Barbara

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From Bruce Carroll:

I have not been able to fill in the activities of Owen Carroll from his arrival in NSW but it coincides with the discovery of gold in the Bathurst region so I guess he was up there from early on panning for alluvial gold perhaps along the Turon River. As mentioned by the time they allowed mining shafts he and Harriette Beard had a mine on Hawkins Hill two along from Holtermans of the Holterman Nugget fame.

They floated a company for the mining operations in about 1871 or 1872.

Owen and Winifred also had a sheep property "Bingletree" (20000 acres) on the Upper Turon River. I have a photo of it but can't date it so can't tell whether it pre-dates or post-dates the gold discovery. I can't trace their title to it but looks like it was the subject of a Crown Grant to others in about 1900 so I guess they were squatters. It's now reduced in size and run as a riding school.

They built a house in Carrington Rd, Waverly called "Winniville" (must have been love) after the births of the boys. It was sold after Winnifred's death and has now been replaced with a block of home units.

Regrettably I don't have any photos of Owen or Winifred nor Thomas or Nabby Kelly and it would be great if something comes to light.
Courageous, tough and resourceful lot I expect and I'm very grateful for their endeavours.

Carroll, Owen (I738)

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From Bruce Ellice-Flint - 8 May 2016

Comments (Francis Warwick Pratley b. 14 Oct 1922 Bathurst, NSW, Australia d. 26 May 1991 Hervey Bay, QLD, Australia): Hello, I have a letter from one of my Uncles who spoke with Warwick Pratley in 1983 about some articles that relate to my family history.

Warwick told my Uncle how he remembered a pair of pistols and a set of handcuffs that belonged to his father. Warwick recalled these items as being on the mantle shelf above the fire place as he was growing up. Warwick said that his father found them on Wyagdon Hill near Sofala. Warwick's father believed that they belonged to Trooper Codrington of the Gold Police who was my GG Grandfather as was killed by bandits on Wygadon Hill in 1857. I have some more information in regards to this. I wonder if anybody might be interested in this story.

Kind regards Bruce

Bruce Ellice-Flint
baeflint@gmail.com

Pratley, Francis Warwick (I548)

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From Dan Byrnes:

Alfred married Rooke Caroline Mary Ann-53044 daughter of Cabinetmaker Rooke James-338326 and wife1 RNotknown Elizabeth-338327 in 1835 in St Phillips,Sydney. Caroline was born on 29 Nov 1817 in London. She was christened in 1818 in St Luke's, OLd St, Finsbury. She died in 1884 in Sydney. She was buried in Sydney.

She is dr1. Larkin notes that there may be two different women as Mary Anne seems to have changed her name to Caroline by 1840 and in 1841 listed her names as Mary AC and thereafter is listed only as Caroline, and death-listed as Caroline. Are there two different women? Larkin has her born circa 1802 in England. The ship "Guildford" arrived 1821, so she was presumably born in England. Noted as married in 1835, CofE, St Phillips, Sydney in Larkin's tree.

Rooke, Mary Anne Caroline (I73)

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Windle, Alfred (I72)

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From Dan Byrnes:

His mother died a few weeks after he was born at Gilgandra. He was given to a family named Johnsn/Johnston to be cared for. He saw his father only once, when he was about three years old. Thomas applied for his birth certificate in 1928, when he was 40. Or, Ohalam. He may be John Thomas O Smith? Larkin has notes from general records, births, of Smith, 1888, Thomas O. Smith, to John T. and Catherine of Coonamble, in 1885 a John Thomas S, to John and Hannah at Brisbane Waters. This Thomas is of Waverly in the Larkin tree. Late in his life, his lost parents were once identified but he never bothered to delve further into who were his siblings. Where is that info? Grandfather of compiler Daniel Thomas Byrnes. Cf., David Austin Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee: Taylor, Rooke and Windle Family Histories. Self-published, Burpengary Qld, 1989. ISBN 0 9592440 1 8.

Smith, Thomas Ohalam (I31)

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From Dan Byrnes:

Update per Michelle Steet. She in Larkin's tree tree has children Thomas A. born 1899 Woolahra, Hilda M. born 1901 at Waverly, Emily S. born 1902 Waverly, Linda F. born 1903 Waverly, Samuel E. born 1904 Waverly, Frederick H. C. born 1906 Waverly all rest at Waverly, Alice M. born 1907 died 1908, Vere (?) born 1910(?), died 1910, Arthur born died 1910, Edna M. born 1912. Larkins tree. She married Williamson. Cf., David Austin Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee: Taylor, Rooke and Windle Family Histories. Self-published, Burpengary Qld, 1989. ISBN 0 9592440 1 8.

Hannah married Williamson Thomas-117719 son of Of Randwick Williamson Henry-19483 and WNotknown Miss-150164 on 16 Nov 1898 in St Nicholas Church, Coogee. Thomas was born in 1875 in ,Randwick. He died on 17 Jul 1952 in Rydalmere, Sydney.

Steet says he married Jeannie A. Sandoz in 1917. He is of Randwick Sydney in Larkin's tree, formerly an unknown link in this family history. Cf., David Austin Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee: Taylor, Rooke and Windle Family Histories. Self-published, Burpengary Qld, 1989. ISBN 0 9592440 1 8.

Windle, Hannah Mary (I82)

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From Dan Byrnes:

He died at age 92, 0r 93? check birthdate here. There is some association with surname Duckworth in his family or with his parents. Roy Musgrave, a keen fisherman all his life, died of basically, renal kidney failure, aged 92, having been healthy and still living at home, alone, and still driving, till Christmas 2005, when he began to fail. Cremated 28 March at Pose Chapel, Palmdale Crematorium, Ourimbah, NSW. His sons Leslie and Steve filled two skips to 12 cubic metres of material, not including clothes and major items of furniture. On Musgraves on the net, there are Musgraves of Ireland who went to Canada and intermarried with Crofton of Brandon, Manitoba. There is a Musgrave genforum at genforum. genealogy.com/musgrave. In the USA is a Jasper Newton Musgrave. The name Musgrave in England seems based mostly in Yorkshire, including at Richmond, Yorks. There were Musgraves of London, and of Devon England. Musgrave in the 1400s in Northumberland, England. There is a Thomas Musgrave in Victoria Australia in 1850 or so. There was apparently a Musgrave a governor of jail in Limerick in 1900s. In the 1798 rebellion in Ireland, Capt Musgrave led the 20-man Lismore Blues Cavalry of Co Waterford.

Musgrave, Roy (I43)

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From Dan Byrnes:

Marries 1915 in Larkin tree. She is born 1894 in Larkin tree. More to come. there is gernforum at http://www.jenforum.net/windle/. There are Windles of Indian, Braxton Co WV, Virginia, Moncton New Brunswick Canada, New Market Virginia, Milwaukee Wisconsin, Charles Windle of South London, Michigan, Chicago, of Horton, Yorkshire England, of Preston Lancs, England. Windle of New Zealand. Family history by David Larkin, Cornwall to Coogee, 23 Eleanor St., Burpengary, QLD 4505. Phone: (07) 3888 2168.

Windle, Elizabeth Emily (I32)

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From Dan Byrnes:

Phyllis died at 7am in a nursing home on 7-11-2000 (Melbourne Cup day as it happened, after suffering some years from Alzheimer's Disease and with some complications (as with her sister Sarah) from diabetes. Doug Smith recently said he was pleased he had seen her, she recognised him and squeezed his hand, and had a twinkle in her eye. More to come. See Larkin tree.

Smith, Phyllis (I34)

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Living (I59)

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From daughter Marge Kelly 26/1/2008:

Tom's mother Catherine died when Tom was only 3 weeks old and Tom was raised on a farm by the Johnson family of Gilgandra. Tom's only memory of his father was when Tom was 3 years old his father came to visit him and gave him a bag of marbles, he watched his Dad ride away and never saw him again.

Tom became friendly with the Hamilton family who owned a hotel in Dubbo, and accompanied some of the Hamilton boys to Sydney. This was a permanent move for Tom. The Hamiltons also had an electrical store in Sydney and Tom acquired appliances from them. He owned a radio at a time when they were not common and also a clock which he kept all his life and which stayed in the possession of Elizabeth after his death. Those that knew Tom and Elizabeth probably remember the clock sitting on the mantelpiece and the ritual winding of same. Tom always kept in touch with the Hamiltons, one of the Hamilton sisters attended Elizabeth's 90th birthday in Tamworth and commented at the time that Tom "was always a good boy". Tom always said he was the youngest of 7 siblings.

Marge remembers Tom said that he slept his first night in Sydney on a Manly ferry (stowed away?)

Tom's foster parents only gave him two years of primary education prior to putting him to work on their farm. After moving to Sydney, Tom realised the he needed further education and studied as a mature age student. He turned out to be a good mathmetician and Marge remembers evening visits by Vaucluse Council engineers to discuss with Tom how a road should be designed and to work out the curves etc.

Smith, Thomas Ohalam (I31)

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From Debbie Musgrave (marriage certificate):

Tom and Elizabeth wre married on 12 Jul 1915 at St. Barnabus' church, Mill Hill, Waverly by Robert Lyle Houston, minister.

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From Debbie Musgrave 2013:

following on from my research dated 10 November 2011 which included the following details:

Smith Catherine 71 19/08/1919 SEC*M2*E*2116 Burial Rookwood

Rookwood Catholic Cemetery : Mortuary 2 : Area E : Grave 2116

I contacted the Rookwood catholic Cemetery and was given the following information:

* No headstone
* Catherine was buried with Emily M Hagar
* Emily was 18 years old and buried on 11 May 1917
* The owner/contact of the grave was Sidney Collins (husband of granddaughter)

_______________________________________________________

1 I found a death registration for Emily M Hagar in teh same district as Catherine Smith

Death: 5211/1917 Hagar Emily M Thomas J Sarah A Redfern

I found information on the Catholic Cemeteries site

Burial: Hagar Emily M 18 11/5/1917 SEC*M2*E*2116 Rookwood

Location: Rookwood Catholic Cemetery : Mortuary 2 : Area E : Grave 2116

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2 I found a marriage registration fpr Sarah A Smith and Thomas Hagar

Marriage: 3144/1898 Hagur Thomas Smith Sarah A Cobar

Donnelly, Catherine Elizabeth (I96)

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From Debbie Musgrave:

Grave details: Anglican 5D Row 7 Grave no. 87

Smith, Thomas Ohalam (I31)

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From Debbie Musgrave:

Tom's mother did NOT die shortly after he was born, this was just a story that Tom handed down to his family. His parents actually abandoned him. His mother died at Redfern 33 years later just a short distance from where her abandoned son Tom was living.

Smith, Thomas Ohalam (I31)

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From Dennis Lloyd, in reply to Sharon Money.

Hi Sharon, how nice it is to at last find a positive connection to the Money line I am related to. My GG Grandmother was given a New Testament(which I still have) at the age of 8 in 1861 by her mother. Handwritten entries list all the family history (except only two Money entries), and one entry says that her grandfather was General John Money of Crown Point Estate (Trowse Newton), Norfolk. This John Money is the Balloonist and soldier who fought against the Americans in NY State under Burgoyne. The death certificate lists his full name as John Dennington Money Palmer, father as General John Money and mother as Sarah Dennington, and he arrived here in Australia about 1827. That is about 10 years after John Money died. I cannot make any further connections, perhaps you can help.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/money/messages/512.html

Palmer, Sarah Anne (I157)

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From Dennis Lloyd:

Hi Barbara,
William C Critchley (1774-1847) married Catherine Murphy and lived in Maitland, NSW. They had 3(?) children, one was Catharine (1817-1872). She married 3 times, the final one being to John Dennington Money Palmer.One of their children,Sarah, married my GGF Thomas Kelly in 1871. I have more info if you wish, and I would like to find out ore as well.

Kelly, Thomas (I156)

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From Diane Duggan:

The story goes that my grandfather was baptised John Walter Norbary GRIFFIN by Lizzie. However, when my grandfather went to get married, they couldn't find his birth registration. Jack was informed there was definitely no record of a John Walter Norbary GRIFFIN, however there was a record a Michael Norbary GRIFFIN born to Elizabeth NORBARY and Michael GRIFFIN! It appears out great grandfather Mick disregarded Lizzie's instructions and decided to register his only son after himself! He didn't tell anyone and we'll never know if a few celebratory drinks were involved or not. Apparently this discovery created a huge ruckus and a hilarious dash to the courthouse by Jack's sisters to check out what their father had registered them??? My Dad reckoned it was lucky Mick was already dead...or Granny Griffin (Lizzie) would have killed him!!!!

Griffin, Michael Walter Norbary (I115)

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From Glen Innes

Palmer, John Dennington Money (I167)

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From http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/census.html

Joseph WINDLE was convicted with brother Alfred.Stealing 48 rolls of ribbon.Sentence 7 years.

Received certificate of freedom in 1829 and then probably went back to England.

Windle, Alfred (I72)

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From Marge Kelly:

After he had served his sentence, Alfred stayed in Sydney and acquired considerable property holdings in Coogee. He may have hoped for these assets to stay in the family, but his drunken son (Alfred II), gambled them all away.

Windle, Alfred (I72)

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From Marge Smith:

Sarah always insisted that she was to be buried at the family plot at Waverly cemetery, probably to be with daughter Martha rather than her alcoholic husband Alfred.

Meades, Sarah Rebecca (I71)

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From Marjorie Smith:

Martha died tragically at the age of 18 years and 4 months from a burst appendix. Mother Sarah and sister Caroline were very close and grieved for her for the rest of their lives. Sarah always wore a cameo necklace with a photo of the young Martha. Marjorie thought that Martha was referred to as Mary, but her nickname was May.

Windle, Martha May (I88)

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From Marjorie Smith:

After Tom and Elizabeth were married they lived with Elizabeth's mother Sarah at Bondi Junction (Mill Hill Road) for a period before moving to St, Leonards where Tom had secured employment as a labouror. When Tom secured employment with Vaucluse Council they moved to Vaucluse and lived a small house which was only half built and was called "The Rest". Around 1928 they moved to Watson's Bay where the children grew up and which was always a "special place" for them.

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From Marjorie Smith:

One of the daughters was very ill at home and the mother (Emily) refused to call a doctor. Alfred was so concerned he carried her to the hospital where she was diagnosed with pneumonia. Emily was a clairvoyant and the rest of the family did not see much of her.

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From Mark Levy:
When born was put under the last name as Thomas.NSW birth cert no. 1881/21471. Australian Electoral Roll for NSW 1930 AER Parkes -LEVY Alfred Henry Ashfield 89 Holborrow St, Croydon Railway employee 1936 AER Parkes - Ashfield LEVY Alfred Henry,104 Holborrow St, Croydon Railway Employee. Death certificate No. 40309/1967 no parents listed.

Levy, Alfred Henry (I508)

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From Mike Kelly 28/1/2008:

I don't think Joseph and Alfred were brothers as stated above. More like 2nd cousins I think. There is something here about Alfred ---> http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Item\296599
From Mike Kelly 24/1/2010:
Alfred was convicted on 4th August 1821 and was transported on 4th April 1822 according to ancentry.com.au

Windle, Alfred (I72)

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From Mike Kelly:

Marjorie's version of events (above) was the story handed down through the family to cover up the shameful events that really occurred. Marjorie died in June 2014 and I never told her the horrific real story of Martha May (May) Windle.

The coroner's inquest concluded that Martha had died from phosphorous poisoning (rat poison). Her father, Alfred, maintained that Martha's fiance Patrick Walsh had mistreated her in the period leading up to her death. Sister Lily testified that she had never seen Martha mistreated by Walsh or his brother. Martha claimed a "man had come home affected by liquor and had taken advantage of her", the doctor said he was of the opinion that "certain events had taken place". After reading all the reports I came to the conclusion that father Alfred came home drunk and sexually assaulted her, which led directly to her taking her own life by ingesting rat poison. After that he had the gall to try and blame Patrick, but wife Sarah and the sisters testified otherwise. This would also explain why my grandmother hated him so much.

There was also an inference that Martha had threatened to take poison if Patrick continued abusing alcohol.

Windle, Martha May (I88)

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From: "NEIL & BARBARA NICHOLLS"
Subject: W for WINDLE
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:24:43 +1000

Alfred WINDLE Guildford (5) 1822 Born 1822 Native Place Sheffield, Trade Cutter.

Tried for housebreaking in the York Assizes on August 4 1821 and given Life.

Alfred Windle was 5' 9" and fair with sandy brown hair and hazel eyes. He had a scar on centre of forehead and on left of chin. A small wart on left side of forehead, and a thick large nose!

He was allowed to remain in the District of Sydney and received his TOL 30/784 on July 21 1830.

A conditional Pardon 477/999 was granted on July 20 1837.

Alfred is buried in the Coogee Cemetery near Sydney.

Windle, Alfred (I72)

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From: "Patrica Horwood"
Subject: Kelly's from Galway
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:28:26 +1000

Hi Listers

I am sending this message again as I omitted to say I was researching Kelly family of Galway. I know there must be hundreds of Kellys from Galway so I am hoping someone knows of this family

John KELLY , labourer married
Winifred WOOLERHAN\

They had a son
Thomas KELLY born and christened at Lismanny, County Galway in 1820
He married Nabby COUGHLAN 12 May 1840 at Ayrecourt, Ireland. Nabby Coughlan was born 1819 at Cappa Naughton, County Galway
Thomas died 15 December 1881 in Tambaroora, Australia
Nabby died 7 May 1883 at Bathurst, Australia

Thomas and Nabby had seven children, all born in Australia
Can anyone give me any background on John Kelly or Winifred Woolerhan or Nabby Coughlan.
Did Thomas have any siblings?
Nabby could also have been known as Abby

I, and all the Australian descendants would be grateful for any information. Here's hoping and thank you

Pat Horwood
palmsoz@ozemail.com.au

Coolahan, Winifred (I371)

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From: "Patrica Horwood"
Subject: Kelly's from Galway
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:28:26 +1000

Hi Listers

I am sending this message again as I omitted to say I was researching Kelly family of Galway. I know there must be hundreds of Kellys from Galway so I am hoping someone knows of this family

John KELLY , labourer married
Winifred WOOLERHAN

They had a son
Thomas KELLY born and christened at Lismanny, County Galway in 1820
He married Nabby COUGHLAN 12 May 1840 at Ayrecourt, Ireland. Nabby Coughlan was born 1819 at Cappa Naughton, County Galway
Thomas died 15 December 1881 in Tambaroora, Australia
Nabby died 7 May 1883 at Bathurst, Australia

Thomas and Nabby had seven children, all born in Australia
Can anyone give me any background on John Kelly or Winifred Woolerhan or Nabby Coughlan.
Did Thomas have any siblings?
Nabby could also have been known as Abby

I, and all the Australian descendants would be grateful for any information. Here's hoping and thank you

Pat Horwood
palmsoz@ozemail.com.au

Family F47

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From: Leanne Paterson

Leane saw Martha's autopsy report which put her death down to poisoning, not a burst appendix

Windle, Martha May (I88)

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Funeral Notice:

There passed away, at his residence, Luddenham, on Sunday morning last, Mr Joseph Outridge, a resident of the district for 21 years and of the State for 58 years, at the ripe old age of 71 years. Mr Outridge, during his stay in the city, carried on business first as a stonemason, but in the latter part of his time was clerk of works for many of the largest commercial houses, including Gardiner's, Elliott Dobs, and others. On the retirement he came to Luddenham, built a home, and planted out an orchard and flower garden. The orchard did not prove a success during late years, as the dry weather killed most of the trees. His flower garden and bush house, however, were very attractive, his blooms winning many prizes. Mr Outridge took a very active part in all public matters. He was one of the originators of the flower show," which eventually became the Luddenham Agricultural and Horticultural Society, and he was president of the latter for many years. He was also an alderman of the Mulgoa Council, and was a very old member of the Oddfellows, holding many prominent offices. He leaves, besides his widow, a family of three sons and one daughter. One son is employed in the railway locomotive department at Penrith, and another at Eveleigh; another son resides at Wyong, and the daughter resides at home. Dr. Elworthy was in attendance on deceased, and on Saturday gave no hope of recovery. The funeral on Monday was largely attended.

Outridge, Joseph (I204)

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General John Money was quartermaster-general under Burgoyne in NY State. He lived at Crown point Estate in Trowse Newton, Norfolk, UK. He had 2 sons, Archibald and Frederick, and died in 1817. His will is available for reading as well as more reading material.

Money, General John (I363)

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George Henry Paull had a number of occupations, starting as a Printer's Boy, then a Printer, Artist, Photographer, and finally a Comedian.

Paull, George Henry (I310)

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George Philip Paull was a clock and watchmaker and is noted in many of the clock/watch makers historical books.

Paull, George Phillip (I313)

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George Street

Kelly, Margaret (I211)