Arthur Henry Kelly

Other Events:

• Occupation: Sydney, NSW, Australia; Arthur was part of the entourage for clown Roy Rene (known as "Mo McCacky" or "Mo"). He was the doorman at the Tivoli and also worked at his brother's cinema in Bathurst.
• Residence: 1930, Darlinghurst, NSW, Australia
• Residence: 1937-1963, La Perouse, NSW, Australia

Notes:

Died:
NSW BDM 3629/1967

Buried:
Rose Gardens, Garden M3

Arthur married Jessie Edith S Griffin on 19 Jul 1904 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia. Jessie (daughter of Michael John Griffin and Elizabeth Norbary) was born on 9 Jun 1881 in Myall Camp, NSW, Australia; died on 18 Dec 1940; was buried on 19 Dec 1940 in La Perouse, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Arthur abandoned his family shortly after John was born (1916). John remembered approaching his father and asking him for money to support the family. The response was "so you are little Johnny?" - but there was no money forthcoming. He was also charged with wife desertion in June 1910.

Married:
St Michael and Johns Cathedral

NSW BDM 6064/1904

1. Irene Mary Patricia Kelly was born on 28 Nov 1904 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; died on 7 May 1984 in Rose Bay, NSW, Australia.
2. Albert Edward Kelly was born on 21 Apr 1906 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia.
3. William Norbary Kelly was born in 1909 in Lismore, NSW, Australia; died on 18 Dec 1987 in Rose Bay, NSW, Australia; was buried in Matraville, NSW, Australia.
4. John Kevin Kelly was born on 11 Feb 1916 in Sydney, NSW, Australia; died on 02 Jun 2005 in Kareena Hospital, Caringbah, NSW; was buried in Woronora Cemetery, Sutherland, NSW, Australia.

Arthur married Lena Annie Bailey in 1945 in Kingsford, NSW, Australia. Lena was born in 1889 in Waterloo, NSW, Australia; died on 3 Nov 1964 in Malabar, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1875, Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; Miner
• Occupation: 1897, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; Railway Guard

Notes:

Brother John also worked for the Railways

From Dennis Lloyd:

Hi Barbara,
William C Critchley (1774-1847) married Catherine Murphy and lived in Maitland, NSW. They had 3(?) children, one was Catharine (1817-1872). She married 3 times, the final one being to John Dennington Money Palmer.One of their children,Sarah, married my GGF Thomas Kelly in 1871. I have more info if you wish, and I would like to find out ore as well.

Died:
NSW BDM 5835/1897

Thomas married Sarah Anne Palmer in 1871 in Mudgee, NSW, Australia. Sarah (daughter of John Dennington Money Palmer and Catherine Critchley) was born on 21 Jan 1853 in Hill End, NSW, Australia; was christened on 16 Nov 1853 in Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; died on 30 Jul 1936 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; was buried in Bathurst Cemetery, Bathurst, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1901 - 1910, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; Proprietor, Haymarket Hotel The Haymarket Hotel was located on the corner of William and Durham Sts., where a United service station now stands. The first Burlington Theatre, operated by William Kelly, was on the adjoining block, now occupied by a Coles supermarket.
• Residence: 1915 - 1920, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; 65 William Street
• Residence: 1921 - 1936, Bathurst, NSW, Australia; 125 William Street (Warilda)

Notes:

From Dennis Lloyd, in reply to Sharon Money.

Hi Sharon, how nice it is to at last find a positive connection to the Money line I am related to. My GG Grandmother was given a New Testament(which I still have) at the age of 8 in 1861 by her mother. Handwritten entries list all the family history (except only two Money entries), and one entry says that her grandfather was General John Money of Crown Point Estate (Trowse Newton), Norfolk. This John Money is the Balloonist and soldier who fought against the Americans in NY State under Burgoyne. The death certificate lists his full name as John Dennington Money Palmer, father as General John Money and mother as Sarah Dennington, and he arrived here in Australia about 1827. That is about 10 years after John Money died. I cannot make any further connections, perhaps you can help.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/money/messages/512.html

Christened:
St. Stevens church

Died:
NSW BDM 18281/1936



Obituary in The Catholic Press, Thursday 6 August 1936:

Mrs. Sarah Kelly.
Bathurst lost one of its oldest and most widely known identities with the death, on the 30th ult., of Mrs. Sarah Kelly, of William-street. Up to four months ago Mrs. Kelly was in perfect health, despite her advancing years. Born 84 years ago at Hill End, she retained to the last vivid recollections of the early days of that historic goldfield. An accomplished horsewoman in her younger days, it was little hardship for her to ride from Hill End to Mudgee, a distance of 50 miles. She remembered the findings by Byers and Holtermann of their famous nugget, and many other highlights in the development of Hill End. Her husband, Mr. Thomas Kelly, died 33 years ago. She is survived by two brothers, Messrs. Archer Palmer (Hill End) and Fred Money Palmer (retired postmaster at Bondi), and by a family of four sons, Messrs. William Kelly (Bathurst), Arthur (Sydney), Frederick (Tarana) and Alan (Sydney), and two daughters, Mrs. J. Stevens (Katoomba) and Miss Ida Kelly (Bathurst). Two other sons, Messrs. Albert and Harry Kelly, predeceased her, the latter having lost his life at the war.
The funeral moved from her late residence for the Catholic portion of Bathurst Cemetery. At the chapel and the graveside prayers were recited by Rev. Father Cotter, C.M., and Rev. Father Emelhainz.
The chief mourners were brothers, sons and grandsons of the deceased. The pallbearers were her sons and grandsons, Messrs. Arthur, Allen and Bert, and Reg. Stevens.

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1839, Ireland; Labourer
• Emigrated: Dec 1839, London, England; Emigrated with wife Nabby to Australia on board the China arrived in Sydney on 31 May 1840. Shipping records show that his age was 25 and he was a labourer. His religion was Roman Catholic, his fare was sponsored by a Mr John Marshall ESQ from London England.
• Occupation: 1843 - 1851, Sydney, NSW, Australia; Police Officer
• Occupation: 1852 - 1876, Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; Police Officer - intially with the Gold Police in Tambaroora then Senior Constable and Sergeant.

Notes:

Birth:
Approx. 1805 according to his death certificate

Died:
NSW BDM: 8906/1881

Cause: Phthitis (Tubercolosis)

Thomas married Nabby Coughlan in 1839 in Eyrecourt, County Galway, Ireland. Nabby was born in 1815 in Cappanaghtan, County Galway, Ireland; died on 7 May 1883 in Bathurst, NSW, Australia; was buried on 8 May 1883 in Bathurst Cemetery, Bathurst, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: 1839, Ireland; Dairy maid
• Emigrated: 31 May 1840, Sydney, NSW, Australia; Nabby and Thomas emigrated to NSW on the "China" which left England in Dec 1839. Records show her age was 22. Her religion was Roman Catholic. Her fare was sponsored by a Mr John Marshall ESQ from London England.
• Occupation: 1865, Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; Midwife

Notes:

Name:
Nabby was also know as Abbey. Death Cert shows her as Nabby Kelly, headstone is Abbey. Abbey may be a short version of Abigail.

Some decendents believe that Nabby's birth name was Mabel

Birth:
Date is approximate, based on her age as stated on death certificate.

Died:
NSW BDM 5614/1883

Buried:
Bathurst NSW Catholic Section Burial Plot Section A Row 2

Notes:

Immigrated as a married couple on ship "China", which arrived in Port Phillip on 2 May 1840 and Botany Bay on 31 May 1840, so the marriage could not have been on 12 May 1840 in Eyrecourt, Ireland.



From: "Patrica Horwood"
Subject: Kelly's from Galway
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:28:26 +1000

Hi Listers

I am sending this message again as I omitted to say I was researching Kelly family of Galway. I know there must be hundreds of Kellys from Galway so I am hoping someone knows of this family

John KELLY , labourer married
Winifred WOOLERHAN

They had a son
Thomas KELLY born and christened at Lismanny, County Galway in 1820
He married Nabby COUGHLAN 12 May 1840 at Ayrecourt, Ireland. Nabby Coughlan was born 1819 at Cappa Naughton, County Galway
Thomas died 15 December 1881 in Tambaroora, Australia
Nabby died 7 May 1883 at Bathurst, Australia

Thomas and Nabby had seven children, all born in Australia
Can anyone give me any background on John Kelly or Winifred Woolerhan or Nabby Coughlan.
Did Thomas have any siblings?
Nabby could also have been known as Abby

I, and all the Australian descendants would be grateful for any information. Here's hoping and thank you

Pat Horwood
palmsoz@ozemail.com.au

Married:
Date is approximate

Other Events:

• Event: 15 Mar 1828, Thetford Assizes; Tried for forgery, sentenced to death
• Transported: Dec 1828, Sydney, NSW, Australia; Date of Departure: 22 August 1828

Notes:

Convicted for forgery in Norfolk Azzises on 15 Mar 1828 and sentenced to transportation for life

Convict: arrived Port Jackson on ship Royal George in December 1828

Name is "John DENNINGTON M" according to archers death record


From Dennis Lloyd, in reply to Sharon Money.

Hi Sharon, how nice it is to at last find a positive connection to the Money line I am related to. My GG Grandmother was given a New Testament(which I still have) at the age of 8 in 1861 by her mother. Handwritten entries list all the family history (except only two Money entries), and one entry says that her grandfather was General John Money of Crown Point Estate (Trowse Newton), Norfolk. This John Money is the Balloonist and soldier who fought against the Americans in NY State under Burgoyne. The death certificate lists his full name as John Dennington Money Palmer, father as General John Money and mother as Sarah Dennington, and he arrived here in Australia about 1827. That is about 10 years after John Money died. I cannot make any further connections, perhaps you can help.

http://genforum.genealogy.com/money/messages/512.html

From Glen Innes

Reference: HO 17/26/2
Description:

Prisoner name(s): John Palmer alias John Money Dennington and John Mortimer Algar.

Prisoner age: John Palmer 21.

Prisoner occupation: John Palmer was an apprentice carpenter in Kent. John Mortimer Algar was in service to a gentleman residing in Bressingham, Norfolk for five years.

Court and date of trial: Norfolk Lent Assizes held at Thetford on 15 March 1828.

Crime: Uttering forged Bank Of England Notes. John Palmer purchased eight ?5 notes, two ?1 notes and two sovereigns through William Brewster (alias William Hardy) a shopkeeper of 54 White Horse Lane,[London] and Zippel or Ezekiel (alias Thomas Rowland) the landlord of the Three Compasses Pub in Shadwell Old Market, [London]. John Palmer disposed of the money in Norfolk with the assistance of John Mortimer Algar.

Initial sentence: [Death], commuted to unknown for John Palmer and transportation for life for John Mortimer Algar.

Annotated (Outcome): John Palmer: respited 2 April 1828, pardon prepared 3 April; John Mortimer Algar was granted a conditional pardon in 1838.

Petitioner(s): Two petitions from Nine Norfolk magistrates.

W Freshfield & Sons, solicitors to the Bank of England (prosecutor) of New Bank Buildings, [London].

Two petitions from Edmund Wodehouse magistrate of Norwich, [Norfolk].

James Hales undersheriff of Thetford, Norwich, [Norfolk].

15 inhabitants of Norwich, [Norfolk] on behalf of John Palmer including Lord Stafford.

Nine inhabitants of Trowse Millgate, Norwich, [Norfolk] on behalf of John Palmer.

Six petitions from John Postle (friend of John Palmer's natural father) magistrate of Colney, Norwich, Norfolk].

66 inhabitants of Brandon, [Norfolk] on behalf of John Mortimer Algar.

Two petitions from Lord Glenelg's office in Downing Street, London in favour of John Mortimer Algar.

Two petitions from Sir Richard Bourke KCB of London the former Captain General Governor and Commander in Chief of New South Wales including a memorial from Sir John Jamison (John Mortimer Algar's employer/assigned colonist).

Grounds for clemency (Petition Details): John Palmer: mother is distraught; father had died by the time his master carpenter had been declared bankrupt; youth and inexperience made him an easy target for depraved senior persons who taught him the habits of dishonesty and idleness; a talented young man who could become a useful and honest member of society; the prisoners' executions will have no salutary influence on the public mind because justice in Norwich is currently inconsistent; evidence of the prisoners' good characters were held back at the trial because they were expecting to be shown indulgence by pleading a minor part in the offence; by 1838 John Mortimer Algar was in a position to receive mercy; he had served the time required by law to qualify for a pardon and possessed a ticket of leave.

Other papers: John Palmer's two confessions sent by Reverend William Broon, the Chaplain of Norwich County Gaol, [Norfolk].

Two letters from John Johnson the governor of Norwich Castle, [Norfolk].

Home office report on W Freshfield's evidence.

Letter from W Freshfield & Sons.

Note from Edmund Wodehouse.

Note from Thomas Anysh of the Home Office, [London].

Additional Information: The prisoners were tried by Judge Baron Garrow.

The Norwich magistrates recommended that the prisoners be transported for life. This was not a unanimous recommendation for John Palmer.

John Palmer is the illegitimate son of the deceased Lieutenant General Money of Trowse Newton, Norfolk.

John Palmer absconded from Norwich in 1827 for a poaching transaction.

John Mortimer Algar arrived in New South Wales on the Lord Melville in 1829.
Date: 1828 Mar 22 - 1838 Oct 5
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

Transported:
Transported on ship "Royal George"

Died:
NSW BDM 11681/1886

7:30 PM

John married Catherine Critchley on 21 Jan 1852 in Maitland, NSW, Australia. Catherine (daughter of William C Critchley and Catherine Murphy) was born on 23 Nov 1817 in Sydney, NSW, Australia; died on 12 May 1872 in Tambaroora, NSW, Australia; was buried on 14 May 1872 in Tambaroora, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Emigrated: 1832, Hobart, Tasmania, Australia; Moved to NSW from Hobart

Notes:

From Anne Wilson:

----- Original Message -----
From: "David & Anne Wilson"
To:
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [PJ] Thomas Thompson


Good morning everyone and happy new year to all,

I've been a bit quite lately tracing a line of my husband's family who were free settlers and have come to a halt at a gentleman called Thomas Thompson. I would like to find out if Thomas was a convict but as there is little to be read about him I am wondering if anyone may know anything about the Thomas Thompsons who came to the colony in the early 1800's. There were a few of them.

My Thomas married a Catherine Critchley in 1831 Newcastle area. Catherine was the daughter of a marine of the 48th Regiment and was born in Tasmania. Thomas died in 1842 in Sydney and a transcript of his death says he was a coloured man. I am assuming this meant he was from the West Indies or Africa and not an Aborigine as from what I have read so far most Aboriginal deaths are recorded that way. I have emailed the person who has claimed a Thomas Thompson on the Claim a Convict site but had no response and am wondering if anyone may be related to the Critchley family who settled in the Maitland area or the Hurley or Palmer families of the same area as poor Catherine Thompson nee Critchley married Farrell Hurley in 1843 after Thomas died but Farrell then died and Catherine married a Mr Palmer and they lived "happily together until Catherine's death.

I hope everyone has a successful year of searching and maybe I will get to see some of you at various places that I will be visiting when I come to Sydney in early February.

Regards Anne in Townsville


Birth:
Erskine Street, Sydney, NSW

Died:
Cause: Typhoid fever

Notes:

Married:
Presbyterian Church

John married Winifred Coolahan. Winifred was born in 1793 in Ireland. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

From: "Patrica Horwood"
Subject: Kelly's from Galway
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 17:28:26 +1000

Hi Listers

I am sending this message again as I omitted to say I was researching Kelly family of Galway. I know there must be hundreds of Kellys from Galway so I am hoping someone knows of this family

John KELLY , labourer married
Winifred WOOLERHAN\

They had a son
Thomas KELLY born and christened at Lismanny, County Galway in 1820
He married Nabby COUGHLAN 12 May 1840 at Ayrecourt, Ireland. Nabby Coughlan was born 1819 at Cappa Naughton, County Galway
Thomas died 15 December 1881 in Tambaroora, Australia
Nabby died 7 May 1883 at Bathurst, Australia

Thomas and Nabby had seven children, all born in Australia
Can anyone give me any background on John Kelly or Winifred Woolerhan or Nabby Coughlan.
Did Thomas have any siblings?
Nabby could also have been known as Abby

I, and all the Australian descendants would be grateful for any information. Here's hoping and thank you

Pat Horwood
palmsoz@ozemail.com.au

Birth:
date is approximate

Name:
Surname is Wooleran on Nabby's death certificate, but I am assured by a local historian this was 99% chance of being Coolahan.

Other Events:

• Residence: 1784, Crown Point. Trowse, Norfolk, England; Built a new house at Crown Point, better known today as Whitlingham Hall.
• Event: 23 Jul 1785, Norwich, England; On the 23rd July, 1785, at four o'clock in the afternoon, Major Money, of Crown Point, near Norwich, ascended from the public gardens in that city, in a car suspended from an air balloon. When arrived at a considerable height, he was not only carried above the clouds, but by a change in the current of air, was driven over Lowestoft, and forced many miles over the sea. About six o'clock, the Major with the balloon fell upon the water, where, after experiencing the most astonishing dangers with the greatest fortitude and presence of mind, he was taken up by a cutter between eleven and twelve o'clock that night, about eighteen miles to the east of Southwold; and the next morning landed safe at Lowestoft, to the great surprise and joy of his friends and the country in general.

Notes:

MONEY, JOHN (1752-1817), aeronaut and general, born in 1752, began his military career in the Norfolk militia, but entering the army became cornet in the 6th Inniskilling dragoons 11 March 1762, captain in the 9th foot 10 Feb. 1770, major 28 Sept. 1781. He went on half-pay in 1784, and never rejoined the active list, but was made lieutenant-colonel by brevet 18 Nov. 1790, colonel 21 Aug. 1795, major-general 18 June 1798, lieutenant-general 30 Oct. 1805, and general 4 June 1814. Money saw a good deal of active service. He was present at the battle of Vellinghausen in 1761 and in various skirmishes with Elliot's light dragoons. He served in Canada in 1777 in General Burgoyne's disastrous descent on Albany from the north, and was present at several engagements. He was taken prisoner in September, and does not appear to have been released till the end of the war.

Money was one of the earliest English aeronauts, making two ascents in 1785, that is, within two years of Montgolfier's first aerial voyage [cf. Lunardi, Vincenzo]. On 22 July in that year he made an ascent from Norwich; an 'improper current' took him out to sea, and then, dipping into the water, he 'remained for seven hours struggling with his fate,' till rescued in a small boat. In 'A Treatise on the Use of Balloons and Field Observators' (1803) he advocated the use of balloons for military purposes (Royal Engineer Corps Papers, 1863).

Money offered his services to the rebel party in the Austrian Netherlands in 1790, when, after experiencing some successes, their prospects were growing critical. After a first refusal his offer was accepted. He was given a commission as major-general, and was placed in command of a force of about four or five thousand men at Tirlemont. His troops were half-hearted, and in the end, after one sharp engagement, he had to join in the general retreat on Brussels, a retreat which ended the rebellion. He utilised his knowledge of the country in his 'History of the Campaign of 1792,' 1794, 8vo. He died at Trowse Hall, Norfolk, 26 March 1817.


Whitlingham Hall

An estate in Trowse Newton was purchased by the Money family towards the end of the C17. In 1772 it passed into the hands of John Money (later to become General Money), who in 1784 built himself a new house on the site which he called Crown Point, a name he chose following his involvement in the taking of Crown Point in America. He surrounded the new house with a small park, which is depicted on Faden's county map published in 1797, and extended it further to the south and west following the re-routing of the public road in 1806. The General also leased surrounding land from the Dean and Chapter of Norwich which included Trowse Newton Hall to the north of the park and Whitlingham White House to the east. By the time he died in 1817, a map published the same year (NRO) shows that his house was surrounded by a c 75 acre (c 31ha) park, a large lawn to the south, and a new walled kitchen garden linked by woodland walks to the house. Following a dispute, the estate was inherited by his illegitimate son, Colonel Archibald Money who planted Long Wood along the ridge north of Crown Point and extended the park as far as Trowse Newton Hall to the north and Whitlingham White House to the east. Colonel Money died in 1858 and the estate passed to a second illegitimate son, the Rev Frederick Money who in 1861 put it up for sale. It was purchased by Sir Robert Harvey who commissioned the architect H E Coe, a pupil of Sir George Gilbert Scott, to build a large Elizabethan-style mansion with an ornamental conservatory on a new site. At the same time he employed the garden designer William Broderick Thomas to furnish it with a suitable formal garden (Nierop-Reading nd). The building work was supervised by the local firm Edward Boardman and Son. Sir Robert extended the park by the closure of a public road to the south of the new house, using the road to create a new drive, while to the north he reduced Trowse Newton Hall to a picturesque ruin and planted a double lime avenue up to it. The expense of this work proved too great for Sir Robert who, following a run on his bank, committed suicide in 1870, before his new house and conservatory were complete. In 1872 the estate was purchased by a successful local businessman J J Colman. It passed to Russell James Colman in 1901 who re-employed Boardman and Son to enlarge the house and bring the gardens up to date. The estate stayed within the Colman family although in 1955 they sold the house and its grounds which became the Whitlingham Hospital. During the 1980s the Norwich southern bypass was built, cutting off a section of park, the walled garden, south drive and lodge from the main body of the park. In the 1990s the hospital was closed and in 1999 was purchased by property developers. It is currently (2000) undergoing conversion into private apartments. The site remains in divided ownership.

General John Money was quartermaster-general under Burgoyne in NY State. He lived at Crown point Estate in Trowse Newton, Norfolk, UK. He had 2 sons, Archibald and Frederick, and died in 1817. His will is available for reading as well as more reading material.

There are some good stories about Norfolk people actually named Money, particularly the Moneys of Trowse. In the 1766 food riots, a mob broke in and stole everything they could get from rich Mr. Money in Trowse; twenty or so years later, Major John Money, also in Trowse, had a liking for hot-air ballooning, and in 1785 he went up in one to raise money for Norfolk and Norwich Hospital. But he had trouble steering the balloon, and managed to steer himself out to sea, where the balloon ditched and floated on the surface, scaring a Dutch vessel into thinking they'd come across a sea monster. Major Money eventually reached dry land in Lowestoft the next day.
And finally a more sobering Money story. In 1807, a sixteen-year-old boy who'd stolen a horse from General Money in Trowse and been transported for seven years for his theft made the long sea journey back to England and to Trowse, especially to set fire to General Money's barn and barley. That boy, that very young man, Thomas Sutton, was hanged this time. His father before him had been hanged too, for stealing horses. There's a chilling true story, one about legacy, in that.

John married Sarah Dennington. Sarah (daughter of John Dennington and Elizabeth) was born in 1772; was christened on 4 Oct 1772 in Crown Point. Trowse, Norfolk, England. [Group Sheet]

Other Events:

• Occupation: Yeoman

Notes:

Hello John,
I'm wondering if your information can go back further. My Critchleys hailed from Wheelton, Lancashire. My great-great-great grandfather was William Critchley. He was born between 1772 and 1785. He married a Catherine Murphy and ended up in Australia via the 48th Northumberland Regiment. Catherine was from Ireland. I would love more to find out more about him.

Buried:
Hiland Cresent Cemetery

Tenambit, Maitland City

William married Catherine Murphy in 1815. Catherine was born in 1795 in Wicklow, Ireland; died on 25 Aug 1854 in Tambaroora, NSW, Australia. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

William and Catherine lived in Maitland, NSW

From Barbara Wyatt

Hi Dennis,
Thanks for your reply. I would love to read the information you have. William and Catherine had more than 3 children. There was Catherine (your ancestor), Ann (my gggmother), Jacob (who died in infancy), Martha, William, George (died aged 16), Elizabeth (who married the founder of Ashton's Circus), Jane and Carolline (who died aged 10 weeks). W & C were married before coming to Australia and only settled in Maitland when William left his regiment. I was aware of the Kelly connection but would love to chat with you. I am in touch with a cousin (Robyn)closer biologically to you than me. Maybe you have already had contact with her.
Cheers, Barbara